Note: Dr. Bechet explains to Lomax that the difference between Creole music and black jazz is the more intense "drive" of the latter. "You got to play hard with Negroes – you got to go some." Buddy Bolden and Bunk Johnson had the drive, he says, but not Manuel Perez or Alphone Picou. Creole Freddie Keppard played in an "American style," not Creole. He belonged, Bechet says, to "that rough element." He explains that Creoles initally were put off by jazz, but over time they began to "creep right close to it," and now most of them like it. "Jazz music – that's going to help get this misunderstanding among the races straightened out; it's bringing the better class of people together."